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'''Divine Rank''' is a ranking system used to rank the power of the gods in D&D.
'''Divine Rank''' is a ranking system used to rank the power of gods in D&D.


As far as I understand it, the ranks were best fleshed out in 3rd-edition D&D. That's (see: I think) when they were given numbers. In a nutshell, the ranks (3e and earlier) go: hero-god, demigod, lesser god, intermediate god, greater god, and overgod. The numbers range from 0 (hero-god) to 20 (greater god)—anyone beyond 20 is an overgod.  
In my opinion, the ranks were best fleshed out in 3rd-edition D&D. That's (I think) when they were given numbers.


In 4e, the ranking system seemed to be completely scrapped, but then they came back (somewhat changed and simplified) in 5e. In 5e, it goes: quasi-god, lesser god, greater god.
In a nutshell, the ranks (in 3e and earlier) go: hero-god, demigod, lesser god, intermediate god, greater god, and overgod. The numbers range from 0 (hero-god) to 20 (greater god)—anyone beyond 20 is an overgod.
 
In 4e, the ranking system seemed to be reduced to simply exarchs, gods, and greater gods; but then they came back (somewhat changed and simplified) in 5e. In 5e, it goes: quasi-god, lesser god, greater god.


I prefer 3e's system, personally.
I prefer 3e's system, personally.
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From the ''DMG'', p. 11:
From the ''DMG'', p. 11:


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DIVINE RANK
DIVINE RANK


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''Vestiges'' are deities who have lost nearly all their worshipers and are considered dead, from a mortal perspective. Esoteric rituals can sometimes contact these beings and draw on their latent power.
''Vestiges'' are deities who have lost nearly all their worshipers and are considered dead, from a mortal perspective. Esoteric rituals can sometimes contact these beings and draw on their latent power.
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== Ranks in PF ==
== Ranks in PF ==
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As far as I know, there is no ranking system for divinity in PF. The only distinction in power level that I'm aware of is the difference between a god and a [[demigod]]. A demigod in PF is a being that lies somewhere in between a mortal and a god. The [[empyreal lord | empyreal lords]] and [[rakshasa immortal | rakshasa immortals]] are examples of demigods in PF.
As far as I know, there is no ranking system for divinity in PF. The only distinction in power level that I'm aware of is the difference between a god and a [[demigod]]. A demigod in PF is a being that lies somewhere in between a mortal and a god. The [[empyreal lord | empyreal lords]] and [[rakshasa immortal | rakshasa immortals]] are examples of demigods in PF.


== Pre-3e ==
== Ranks pre-3e ==


Divine Rank pre-3e was weird. I still don't really understand it.
Pre the 3e unification, Divine Rank was mostly the same. You've got your '''''greater gods''''', '''''lesser gods''''', and '''''demigods'''''.<ref>Source: ''Deities & Demigods'' (1980).</ref> There are also '''''quasi-deities''''', which are below demigods<ref>Source: ''Dragon'', no. 71, p. 19.</ref>, and '''''hero-deities''''', which are above quasi-deities.<ref>Source: ''Dragon'', no. 71, p. 21.</ref> So the rank order seems to go:


There are ''greater gods'', ''lesser gods'', and ''demigods''.<ref>Source: ''Deities & Demigods'' (1980).</ref> There are also ''quasi-deities'', which are below demigods<ref>Source: ''Dragon'', no. 71, p. 19.</ref>, and ''hero-deities'', which actually seem to be above quasi-deities. So the rank order seems to go:
* Greater god
* Lesser god
* Demigod
* Hero-god
* Quasi-deity


It seems that in 3e, they combined hero-gods and quasi-deities, putting them both at Divine Rank 0.
So the overall rank order goes something like:
* Greater god
* Greater god
* Lesser god
* Lesser god
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* Hero-god
* Hero-god
* Quasi-deity
* Quasi-deity
* Hero ← (this is you)
* Regular person
== Ranks in 4e ==
I think 4e just had ''exarchs'', ''gods'', and ''greater gods''.


== Ranks in 3e ==
== Ranks in 3e ==


=== Rank 0 (quasi-deities) ===
=== Rank 0 (quasi-gods) ===


These are called quasi-deities or hero-gods. They're sometimes half-gods. They have a few worshipers. They're "sort of but not really" deities. They're mostly just super strong and immortal. They can't even grant spells.
These are called quasi-deities or hero-gods. They're sometimes half-gods. They have few worshipers. They're "sort of but not really" deities. They're basically just super strong and immortal. They can't even grant spells.


Examples:
Examples:
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=== Ranks 1-5 (demigods) ===
=== Ranks 1-5 (demigods) ===
''Main article: [[Demigod]]''
''Main article: [[Demigod]]''


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* [[Iuz]]
* [[Iuz]]
* [[Kilva]]
* [[Kilva]]
* [[Kyuss]]
* [[Zagyg]]


=== Ranks 6-10 (lesser gods) ===
=== Ranks 6-10 (lesser gods) ===


These are called lesser gods. They have between a few thousand worshipers to tens of thousands of worshipers.
Here's where things really pick up. Don't be fooled by their name—lesser gods mean business. They have between a few thousand worshipers to tens of thousands of worshipers.


Examples:
Examples:
* [[Azuth]]
* [[Azuth]]
* [[Kurell]]
* [[Norebo]]
* [[Phaulkon]]
* [[Vecna]]


=== Ranks 11-15 (intermediate gods) ===
=== Ranks 11-15 (intermediate gods) ===


These are called intermediate deities. They have hundreds of thousands of worshipers.
These are called intermediate deities. They have hundreds of thousands of worshipers.
 
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This is about as powerful as a deity can hope to get without pulling some shenanigans.
This is about as powerful as a deity can hope to get without pulling some shenanigans.
-->


Example:
Example:
* [[Deep Sashelas]] / [[Sashelas]]
* [[Heironeous]]
* [[Ilmater]]
* [[Kord]]
* [[Lolth]]
* [[Lolth]]
* [[Pholtus]]
* [[Pholtus]]
* Sashelas
* [[Cuthbert | Saint Cuthbert]]
* [[{{Selune}}]]
* [[Wee Jas]]
* [[Wee Jas]]


=== Ranks 16-20 (greater gods) ===
=== Ranks 16-20 (greater gods) ===


These are called greater gods. They have millions of worshipers. The mightiest among them rule over other gods like mortal sovereigns rule over common folk.
These are called greater gods. They have millions of worshipers.
 
The mightiest of the greater deities rule over other gods like mortal sovereigns rule over common folk.


Divine Rank 19 is the cutoff for most beings. This is the DR that the heads of the greatest pantheons have, such as [[Corellon Larethian]], [[Moradin]], [[Ra]], [[Zeus]], and [[Odin]].
Divine Rank 19 is the cutoff for most beings. This is the DR that the heads of the greatest pantheons have, such as [[Corellon Larethian]], [[Moradin]], [[Ra]], [[Zeus]], and [[Odin]].
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Only one god in D&D has a DR of 20, and that's [[Taiia]].
Only one god in D&D has a DR of 20, and that's [[Taiia]].


=== Ranks 21+ ===
=== Ranks 21+ (overgods) ===


Beings above DR 21 are called overgods, overdeities, or overpowers. They're far beyond our understanding. We know next to nothing about them. In the direct words of the 3e SRD:
Beings at or above DR 21 are called '''overgods''', '''overdeities''', or '''overpowers'''. They're far beyond the understanding of mortals and even the gods themselves. We know next to nothing about them. In the words of the 3e SRD:


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''These entities are beyond the ken of mortals and care nothing for worshipers. They do not grant spells, do not answer prayers, and do not respond to queries. If they are known at all, it is to a handful of scholars on the Material Plane. They are called overdeities. In some pantheistic systems, the consent of an overdeity is required to become a god.''
''These entities are beyond the ken of mortals and care nothing for worshipers. They do not grant spells, do not answer prayers, and do not respond to queries. If they are known at all, it is to a handful of scholars on the Material Plane. They are called overdeities. In some pantheistic systems, the consent of an overdeity is required to become a god.''
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}}


And here's how the Forgotten Realms wiki describes them:
And here's how the Forgotten Realms wiki describes them:


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{{Quote|
''An Overgod, also called an over-power, was a type of deity that existed beyond the normal ranking of the gods and of concepts such as alignment. Such beings existed beyond the bounds of the normal cosmology.''
''An Overgod, also called an over-power, was a type of deity that existed beyond the normal ranking of the gods and of concepts such as alignment. Such beings existed beyond the bounds of the normal cosmology.''
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}}
 
There are very few examples in D&D. The only confirmed one is [[Ao]].


Some speculate that entities such as the [[Lady of Pain]], Fate from the Zakharan pantheon, Maztica, the Jade Emperor, the chained god [[Tharizdun]], the Serpent [[Mok'slyk]], the High God known to the people of Krynn, the [[World Serpent]] known to the [[sarrukh]], and the dragon god [[Io]] belong in this category.
There are very few examples of such beings. Perhaps the poster-boy of the overgods is [[Ao]], who governs the {{Faerun}}ian gods.<ref>It's worth noting that Ao himself answers to an even higher power known as the [[Luminous Being]]. Take that how you will.</ref> The High God of Krynn is also an overgod. [[Corellon Larethian]] is sometimes described as an overgod.


It might be worth noting that Ao himself answers to an even higher power known as the Luminous Being. Take that how you will.
Some speculate that the [[Lady of Pain]], Fate from the Zakharan pantheon, Maztica, the Celestial Emperor, the Chained God [[Tharizdun]], the primordial [[Asgorath]], the Serpent [[Mok'slyk]], [[Pharasma]] of [[Golarion]], the Supreme Bureaucrat, the [[World Serpent]] known to the [[sarrukh]], and the dragon god [[Io]] are overgods.


== Table (3e system) ==
== Table (3e system) ==
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| '''18''' || [[Garlan]] {{dot}} [[Freyr]] {{dot}} [[Mystra]] {{dot}} [[Osiris]] {{dot}} [[Shar]] {{dot}} [[Silvanus]] {{dot}} [[Thor]] {{dot}} [[Tyr]] (peak) {{dot}} [[Yondalla]]
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|- align=center
|- align=center
| '''16''' || [[Gruumsh]] {{dot}} [[Kelemvor]] {{dot}} [[Oghma]] {{dot}} [[Sune]] {{dot}} [[Talos]]
| '''16''' || [[Gruumsh]] {{dot}} [[Kelemvor]] {{dot}} [[Oghma]] {{dot}} [[Sune]] {{dot}} [[Talos]]
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|- align=center
!rowspan="1" | Intermediate god
!rowspan=1 | Intermediate god
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| '''11-15''' || [[Gond]] {{dot}} [[Heironeous]] {{dot}} [[Kord]] {{dot}} [[Lolth]] {{dot}} [[Pholtus]] {{dot}} [[Cuthbert | Saint Cuthbert]] {{dot}} [[Selûne]] {{dot}} <br> [[Wee Jas]]
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!rowspan=1 | Lesser god
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| '''6-10''' || [[Norebo]] {{dot}} [[Vecna]]
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|- align=center
!rowspan="1" | Demigod
!rowspan=1 | Demigod
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|- align=center
|- align=center
!rowspan="1" | Hero-god
!rowspan=1 | Hero-god
| '''0''' || [[Bane]] · [[Bhaal]] · [[Murlynd]] · [[Myrkul]]
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Latest revision as of 18:11, 25 May 2023

Divine Rank is a ranking system used to rank the power of gods in D&D.

In my opinion, the ranks were best fleshed out in 3rd-edition D&D. That's (I think) when they were given numbers.

In a nutshell, the ranks (in 3e and earlier) go: hero-god, demigod, lesser god, intermediate god, greater god, and overgod. The numbers range from 0 (hero-god) to 20 (greater god)—anyone beyond 20 is an overgod.

In 4e, the ranking system seemed to be reduced to simply exarchs, gods, and greater gods; but then they came back (somewhat changed and simplified) in 5e. In 5e, it goes: quasi-god, lesser god, greater god.

I prefer 3e's system, personally.

Ranks in 5e

From the DMG, p. 11:

DIVINE RANK

The divine beings of the multiverse are often categorized according to their cosmic power. Some gods are worshiped on multiple worlds and have a different rank on each world, depending on their influence there.

Greater deities are beyond mortal understanding. They can't be summoned, and they are almost always removed from direct involvement in mortal affairs. On very rare occasions they manifest avatars similar to lesser deities, but slaying a greater god's avatar has no effect on the god itself.

Lesser deities are embodied somewhere in the planes. Some lesser deities live in the Material Plane, as does the unicorn-goddess Lurue of the Forgotten Realms and the titanic shark-god Sekolah revered by the sahuagin. Others live on the Outer Planes, as Lolth does in the Abyss. Such deities can be encountered by mortals.

Quasi-deities have a divine origin, but they don't hear or answer prayers, grant spells to clerics, or control aspects of mortal life. They are still immensely powerful beings, and in theory they could ascend to godhood if they amassed enough worshipers. Quasi-deities fall into three subcategories: demigods, titans, and vestiges.

Demigods are born from the union of a deity and a mortal being. They have some divine attributes, but their mortal parentage makes them the weakest quasi-deities.

Titans are the divine creations of deities. They might be birthed from the union of two deities, manufactured on a divine forge, born from the blood spilled by a god, or otherwise brought about through divine will or substance.

Vestiges are deities who have lost nearly all their worshipers and are considered dead, from a mortal perspective. Esoteric rituals can sometimes contact these beings and draw on their latent power.

Ranks in PF

As far as I know, there is no ranking system for divinity in PF. The only distinction in power level that I'm aware of is the difference between a god and a demigod. A demigod in PF is a being that lies somewhere in between a mortal and a god. The empyreal lords and rakshasa immortals are examples of demigods in PF.

Ranks pre-3e

Pre the 3e unification, Divine Rank was mostly the same. You've got your greater gods, lesser gods, and demigods.[1] There are also quasi-deities, which are below demigods[2], and hero-deities, which are above quasi-deities.[3] So the rank order seems to go:

  • Greater god
  • Lesser god
  • Demigod
  • Hero-god
  • Quasi-deity

It seems that in 3e, they combined hero-gods and quasi-deities, putting them both at Divine Rank 0.

So the overall rank order goes something like:

  • Greater god
  • Lesser god
  • Demigod
  • Hero-god
  • Quasi-deity
  • Hero ← (this is you)
  • Regular person

Ranks in 4e

I think 4e just had exarchs, gods, and greater gods.

Ranks in 3e

Rank 0 (quasi-gods)

These are called quasi-deities or hero-gods. They're sometimes half-gods. They have few worshipers. They're "sort of but not really" deities. They're basically just super strong and immortal. They can't even grant spells.

Examples:

Ranks 1-5 (demigods)

Main article: Demigod

Called demigods. Apparently in D&D "demigod" means a low-level god and not a half-god.

These are the weakest of the real deities. They have anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand worshipers.

Examples:

Ranks 6-10 (lesser gods)

Here's where things really pick up. Don't be fooled by their name—lesser gods mean business. They have between a few thousand worshipers to tens of thousands of worshipers.

Examples:

Ranks 11-15 (intermediate gods)

These are called intermediate deities. They have hundreds of thousands of worshipers.

Example:

Ranks 16-20 (greater gods)

These are called greater gods. They have millions of worshipers.

The mightiest of the greater deities rule over other gods like mortal sovereigns rule over common folk.

Divine Rank 19 is the cutoff for most beings. This is the DR that the heads of the greatest pantheons have, such as Corellon Larethian, Moradin, Ra, Zeus, and Odin.

Only one god in D&D has a DR of 20, and that's Taiia.

Ranks 21+ (overgods)

Beings at or above DR 21 are called overgods, overdeities, or overpowers. They're far beyond the understanding of mortals and even the gods themselves. We know next to nothing about them. In the words of the 3e SRD:

These entities are beyond the ken of mortals and care nothing for worshipers. They do not grant spells, do not answer prayers, and do not respond to queries. If they are known at all, it is to a handful of scholars on the Material Plane. They are called overdeities. In some pantheistic systems, the consent of an overdeity is required to become a god.

And here's how the Forgotten Realms wiki describes them:

An Overgod, also called an over-power, was a type of deity that existed beyond the normal ranking of the gods and of concepts such as alignment. Such beings existed beyond the bounds of the normal cosmology.

There are very few examples of such beings. Perhaps the poster-boy of the overgods is Ao, who governs the Faerûnian gods.[4] The High God of Krynn is also an overgod. Corellon Larethian is sometimes described as an overgod.

Some speculate that the Lady of Pain, Fate from the Zakharan pantheon, Maztica, the Celestial Emperor, the Chained God Tharizdun, the primordial Asgorath, the Serpent Mok'slyk, Pharasma of Golarion, the Supreme Bureaucrat, the World Serpent known to the sarrukh, and the dragon god Io are overgods.

Table (3e system)

Divine Rank Deity
Overgod 21+ Ao · High God · Io · Lady of Pain
Greater god 20 Taiia
19 Chauntea · Corellon Larethian · Moradin · Odin · Ra · Zeus
18 Garlan · Freyr · Mystra · Osiris · Shar · Silvanus · Thor · Tyr (peak) · Yondalla
17 Athena · Bane (peak) · Boccob · Cyric (peak) · Freya[5]· Hades ·
Isis · Lathander · Nerull · Pelor · Poseidon · Rao · Tempus
16 Gruumsh · Kelemvor · Oghma · Sune · Talos
Intermediate god 11-15 Gond · Heironeous · Kord · Lolth · Pholtus · Saint Cuthbert · Selûne ·
Wee Jas
Lesser god 6-10 Norebo · Vecna
Demigod 1-5 Iuz · Kilva · Rudd · Zagyg
Hero-god 0 Bane · Bhaal · Murlynd · Myrkul

See also

Endnotes

  1. Source: Deities & Demigods (1980).
  2. Source: Dragon, no. 71, p. 19.
  3. Source: Dragon, no. 71, p. 21.
  4. It's worth noting that Ao himself answers to an even higher power known as the Luminous Being. Take that how you will.
  5. Frigga